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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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hello and welcome to the skeptic Zone

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episode number 457 for the 23rd of July

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2017 Richardson is here with you from

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Sydney Australia at two o'clock in the

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morning Sydney Australia yes for some

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reason possibly to do with two sceptic

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zone cuts making noise I'm awake or is

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it a bit of late jet lag who knows what

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that means for you well not much except

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the sceptic zone comes out a few hours

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early this week and of course being two

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o'clock in the morning there are no

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dreaded planes flying overhead to make

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me stop and start recording we're gonna

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kick off with another interview I did at

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the North East Conference of science and

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skepticism and that was just recently in

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New York this week I chat to Claire

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Klingenberg about the upcoming European

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skeptics Congress in Poland on the 22nd

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to the 24th of September and the big

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news and the late-breaking big news is

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that our very own reporter and the

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president of Australian skeptics Iran

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Sahib will be a guest speaker at the

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Congress more about the Congress coming

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up with Claire Klingenberg after that

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it's brouhaha science this week with Ben

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Lewis telling us about the the benefits

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of an Australian Space Agency

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Australians in space boggles the mind

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then it's the raw skeptic Heidi Robinson

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with a very interesting live report from

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star stuff

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the recent astronomy meeting at byron

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bay up on the north coast of New South

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Wales Heidi gives us an excellent

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rundown of the the couple of days of the

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meeting and also a walk on Mars

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yes Heidi goes for a walk on a virtual

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Martian landscape that's coming up in

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the raw skeptic report then we have part

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one of a series of interviews with Anne

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for Science education and that's based

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education a couple of weeks ago to chat

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to Anne and she's going to fill us in on

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some of the the ups and downs

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mostly ups I think about promoting

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science education in the United States

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and in the coming weeks we'll have some

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more interviews and updates from Anne

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book review I've been enjoying reading a

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book recommended to me or recommended to

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everybody by dr. Harriet hall at the the

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Nexus conference

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it's called nibbling nibbling on

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I'm really enjoying it it's a book

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designed for the younger reader but I

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dare say it's applicable for all ages

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what do they used to say from 9 to 99 or

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something silly like that it's really

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good I'm really enjoying it bringing

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science the method of science what to

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look out for bad science good science

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all that sort of thing in a very easy to

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Stein's brain and that review comes up

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to round off this week's episode now

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before we get stuck into the show some

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more late-breaking news I'd guess you'd

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say I am very happy to say that I will

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be speaking at the upcoming psych on the

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the conference in Las Vegas

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CSI conference org and that's in late

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dr. Ricci reports will also be speaking

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at this at this conference but I'm sure

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we'll bring you more news about that in

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the coming months before the conference

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begins but now it's time for me to open

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the door quietly sneak past the sleeping

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cats yeah it doesn't work they're

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go downstairs go into the laundry open

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Klingenberg hello honey in person yes

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amazing it's amazing the people you you

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even though we all all the conference's

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them have a very different atmosphere

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22nd to 24th and if they're things are

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shaping up great I mean it's only three

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months ago three months away so get your

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tickets soon I guess we have our

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speakers all our speakers booked and we

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that's a good thing and the program is

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finished we have some very interesting

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is school or he's a trained Exorcist as

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existing exorcist magazine so you

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for a haircut oh yeah maybe in the

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doctor's waiting room or dentist you

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take your mind off the tooth yeah so now

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the where it's being held you you I

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being held the conference your

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conference it looks like a beautiful

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part of the world so it's going to be in

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which has an International Airport so

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hello dear skeptical friends this is

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cleric Lambert who organizer of the

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European skeptics Congress 2017 this

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year the Congress will be held in broad

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South Poland on September 22nd to 24th

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and is my absolute pleasure to invite

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you to attend come and listen to talks

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by James Randi susan gerbic mark Loomis

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Susan Blackmore Scotland Feld and others

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discuss topics like science and religion

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and now direct from the cafe and

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to create a cohesive plan for our space

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activities and it develops technology

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that was specifically benefit our

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country like satellite monitoring that

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can help farmers and communications in

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international collaboration why would

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next we've got one of the world's best

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sites for rocket launches at warmer just

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begging to be used more a Hyperloop

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straights warmer or where Rockets being

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launched and recovered yes please to us

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this is a no-brainer

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just do it the benefits are massive and

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will be short-sighted to not establish

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an agency the space world's eyes will be

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conference in Adelaide it's so far we've

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got nothing to show it's time let's make

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an Australian sized annal will be along

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for more brouhaha and australian science

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Joe thinks unicorns are real they fo are

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let's look this up in the skeptics

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dictionary the word how can we do that

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in this perk there are no computers here

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you ladies probably don't know about the

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skeptics dictionary app available now

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for iPhone iPad and iPod Touch in the

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app store yeah we do we've been

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listening to the skeptic zone for years

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you know yes okay the app lets you

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access all the great skeptics dictionary

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articles when you're on the go yeah let

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me look up unicorns oh cool hi dee

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prepare to be proven wrong it says here

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the Unicorn is a creature from fables

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uh-huh actually I see now that someone

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just dumped their ice cream cone on that

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horse's head Thanks that's just some guy

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it's the raw skeptic report with Heidi

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Robertson hello everyone Heidi Robertson

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from the Northern Rivers vaccination

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supporters here a few weeks ago I

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attended the star staff weekend in Byron

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Bay two days of talks on astronomy

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astrophysics astrophotography and

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interspersed with some day and night

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stargazing so this report is a rundown

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of the speakers and the topics of their

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talks that we enjoyed over the weekend

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along with a couple of interviews I had

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with attendees and a snippet of my

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encounter on Mars we will put links to

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the work of the following speakers in

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this week's show notes at skeptic zone

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dot TV on Saturday or Saturn day as the

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program said the program incidentally

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also had a complimentary horoscope for

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June 2017 and I quote Aries the stars

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and planets will not affect your life in

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any way Taurus the stars and planets

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will not affect your life in any way

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Gemini the stars and planets will not

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affect your life in any way and so on so

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Saturn day began with a welcome to

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country by an australian indigenous

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representative of the iroquois people of

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byron bay honoring the land on which the

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event was held and its first inhabitants

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past and present that was followed by a

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talk from dr. Dwayne hamako from Monash

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University who spoke about Aboriginal

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astronomy 60,000 years of science and

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culture

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I was absolutely enthralled by this talk

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Dwayne a white American has a deeper

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understanding of Australian indigenous

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cultures then I daresay most citizens of

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Australia have

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yes I'm ashamed to say that includes me

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the ways in which Indigenous Australians

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preserve knowledge throughout the

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generations in song dance and astronomy

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is intricate complex and beautiful

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G on astrophotography he describes his

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short film full moon silhouettes as

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quote inadvertently launching my

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international Astro photography career

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he spoke of uploading the video one

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night and waking up the next morning

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shocked to discover that the video had

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gone viral

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as he slept we watched the video on the

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big screen in a dark room of a full moon

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rising with a lighthouse in the

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foreground and silhouettes of people

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slowly climbing the stairs up to the

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lighthouse in order to enjoy the rising

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of the moon it was set to a beautiful

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piece of music it was evident that it

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evoked a strong emotional response from

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the members of the audience apparent by

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the hush that fell over the crowd during

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the viewing followed by the enthusiastic

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applause at the end it was easy to see

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why it went viral but it was interesting

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having mark explained exactly what went

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into the creation of it such as the

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timing positioning camera settings the

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subsequent editing and so on apparently

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he had a few people contact him

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skeptical that the whole thing wasn't

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just photoshopped in some way go to WWE

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art of night calm to see some of mark's

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work you won't regret it we broke for

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lunch and I grabbed the opportunity to

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have a walk on the surface of Mars

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Here I am at the starstuff convention

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and run our lunch break of the first day

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at the moment and I'm just having a look

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at one of the exhibits here which I'm

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about to have a go of myself it's a

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virtual reality app and with me I've got

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Winn hi I'm Julian Julian and and Lucas

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Lucas and I'm lies and Julian Lucas and

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Lars right so you're all developers of

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this app the company but we all have

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different roles describe what the app is

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to start with so the app the app stick

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in 3d scans that nASA has generated of

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the Martian surface and it's not put

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them into VR just for people to use okay

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and how long did it take you guys to to

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develop the app and did you have to get

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any sort of permission from NASA

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themselves know if this is actually free

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open open stuff that anyone can download

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it's just very huge file sizes so like

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terabytes upon terabytes so it has taken

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us a while to develop about one year to

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get it to the stage where it's at now

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and obviously we look to improve it

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every you know every so often at updates

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you know after out the process yeah six

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weeks to download all the data yeah oh

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my goodness okay and what's what's your

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background

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in developing apps have you developed

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any other apps in the past mainly only

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private stuff nothing's really seen the

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light of day but by train I'm a software

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engineer so that's yeah that's just who

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I am it's well I actually actually went

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to high school with Lucas and he came to

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me with this VR idea I just wanted to be

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involved in any capacity so I'm helping

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out with the business side of things

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just getting getting you know getting

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the ball rolling getting it out there

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getting it to schools getting teaching

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kids about space and using this app as a

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tool for that okay and so I'm seeing a

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sign there so the app is actually called

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the Red Planet

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and you can use your own VR headset

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virtual reality headset so today what

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we're demoing is the HTC vive version of

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it so it is one of the more expensive VR

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systems but it's also the most stable

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and reliable in saying that though we've

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planned to release it on you know

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Samsung gear VR Google cardboard Google

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dream dream view I think that's the one

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that's called Google daydream which is

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that Google's new headset we look at

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doing it or even ps4 we're looking at

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doing on launching onto that that way

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every everyone will have a go at it

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because Google cardboard is $20 the app

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it hasn't been launched we're looking

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about towards the end of the year maybe

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early next year to get to its stable the

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most ablest form but yet all the all the

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I guess the gear necessary it's all

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readily available online or through like

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jb high flyers those two kind of stuff

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like that okay so you can basically put

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on your head gear and you can see what

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it might be like to walk around on the

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planet Mars

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the really cool thing about this app in

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particular is it's it's very very

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accurate because we've used you know

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satellite data this is very accurate if

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there's a if there's a valley or a you

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know equation that you see in the app

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it's there yeah so you've got an area

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typed out here I cap a square box that

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you have to stay inside what happens if

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you go outside the box nothing really

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just might bump into if you tell it a

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few thousand dollar telescope doesn't

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have to pay someone's bill but

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essentially this is the work area so you

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can walk around this in VR and kind of

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have a look at the ground

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you know kneel down and have a look at

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the terrain as well okay but yeah we've

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restricted it just for today to this

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three meter space less than 3 meters

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today but I think maximum here is I

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think 3 meters 5 by 5 meters there you

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go alright well there's a gentleman just

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having a go but now

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can I ask you sir what you think of the

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the app so far just yeah this is amazing

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he's got the headset on you can't see me

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yeah yeah this is out of control

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yeah you spend hours in losing a Jason

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Bourne on math but oh there's a really

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amazing I'm gonna wait in line and I'm

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gonna have a go myself in a minute you

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to that newbie I just reach out and grab

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it

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Oh crikey so there's a remote control

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that I've just been handed I can't see

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the hand that's giving it to me but I'm

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seeing the remote control and I'm seeing

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the Stars okay okay so I'm looking

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directly down on the surface from this

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to this and that's a mess right now

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you can bend down if you want to do it

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just just kneel down look at the ground

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get really close okay wow it's quite

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incredible this is the first time I've

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ever actually worn a VR headset so this

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is quite everyone's got to try this this

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is amazing

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Wow Wow Wow I can't tell you how good

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this is it's just incredible you know

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what other features are you thinking of

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adding as if it's not enough already

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well right now the ground detail is sort

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of lacking so we want to add more rocks

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onto the ground I know that sounds

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simple but it just adds to the realism

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yeah

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[Music]

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maybe some sound effects sound effects

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yeah that'd be good as well what you

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might use like educational features just

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things that they point out specific

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location to the train and say hey you

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know look here that looks like there was

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water running across this place and you

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did you say before that you've taken it

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already into schools and in the next

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coming months yep just just so we can

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have the best experience for the kids

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actually just to get them interested in

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you're in Sydney ok we'll all the

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skeptics in Sydney keep an eye out for

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these guys where can they go on the

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world wide web to find a bit more about

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this and about you forward slash the red

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planet VR you can also visit our

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company's website which is Mac soft net

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dot au and that will just be more

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information about us as a company and

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what the things we're going to be

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launching from here on out well thank

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you so much I better let somebody else

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have a go after lunch dr. David Malin

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from the Australian astronomical

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observatory spoke about astro images

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from the ice age ancient astronomical

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imaging and how everything changed

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firstly with the invention of the

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telescope and then again with the advent

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of photography next up was dr. Fred

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Watson also of the Australian

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astronomical observatory who spoke about

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light pollution and the growing call for

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better designed outdoor lighting to

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improve both the nocturnal environment

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and avoid wasted energy obviously this

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is also a topic important to the Astro

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photographers out there who have a much

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better view of the night sky without

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loads of artificial light around dr.

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Katy Mac followed up from the University

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of Melbourne with a talk called

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dispatches from a dark

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universe as the program said come for

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the Big Bang stay for the possibility of

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the ultimate destruction of all reality

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sounds very uplifting doesn't it

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topics included dark matter dark energy

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and recent research on Higgs vacuum

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decay unfortunately I could not attend

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the gala dinner on Saturday night with

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dr. Kyle presenting a talk great moments

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in space why do stars have points why

549
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are asteroids God's way of inquiring

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00:26:56,060 --> 00:26:53,550
gently about our space program what

551
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color is the universe gravitational

552
00:27:02,510 --> 00:27:00,390
waves and much more night sky to us and

553
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stargazing throughout the night followed

554
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the gala dinner

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if Saturn Day wasn't enough for you to

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wish you were there next up was Sun day

557
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but first here is an interview I had

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with one of the younger attendees of

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starstuff bow who I interviewed earlier

560
00:27:24,290 --> 00:27:20,810
in the day okay I'm here with another

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attendee at the star star festival who

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have we got here

563
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:27,780
Oberg handsome bow and how old are you

564
00:27:34,970 --> 00:27:31,770
both I am turning 12 2012 okay and where

565
00:27:37,190 --> 00:27:34,980
you from I'm from Brunswick kids okay so

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you're a local not too far away yeah not

567
00:27:42,410 --> 00:27:39,870
too far and what made you interested in

568
00:27:44,630 --> 00:27:42,420
coming here today I like science I like

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stars so I thought it would just be cool

570
00:27:48,170 --> 00:27:46,530
to have a look yeah and we've only had

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two speakers so far but they've both

572
00:27:53,300 --> 00:27:51,090
been really interesting what did you

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think of the speakers this morning I

574
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thought it was quite amazing actually

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the second one in particular that was

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very interesting wasn't that emoji

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lithography did it get you inspired to

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00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:02,370
try some Astro photography out for

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00:28:07,130 --> 00:28:04,530
yourself maybe I don't know I don't

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00:28:09,410 --> 00:28:07,140
really have a camera and I don't know if

581
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I'd be very good at it but you know it's

582
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an idea to think of I think so too

583
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look I'm 44 years old and I don't know

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how to take a photo but I'm inspired to

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start so if I can do it at 44 I reckon

586
00:28:22,730 --> 00:28:21,150
you can do it at 12 what do you reckon I

587
00:28:24,970 --> 00:28:22,740
mean you're gonna try to find up I think

588
00:28:26,950 --> 00:28:24,980
that's exactly right

589
00:28:28,660 --> 00:28:26,960
so who are the speakers that we've got

590
00:28:34,870 --> 00:28:28,670
on next you remember who they are

591
00:28:38,290 --> 00:28:34,880
dr. Fred Watson dr. Fred Watson oh well

592
00:28:42,130 --> 00:28:38,300
before him we've got a dr. David Malin

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00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:42,140
oh yeah oh yeah yeah looking forward to

594
00:28:46,810 --> 00:28:44,450
that too so we've got we've got a few

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more a few more interesting talks today

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and then are you going to this special

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dinner tonight no a lot of epic VIP not

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a VIP this time well maybe next time

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yeah thank you very much for joining us

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bye

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Thanks pleasure to meet you yeah you too

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bye-bye sir Sunday June 25th 2017 kicked

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off with Jade rush wood from Byron Bay

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High School Jade's science teacher

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00:29:14,770 --> 00:29:12,650
nominated her as a speaker as a result

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00:29:17,950 --> 00:29:14,780
of one of her assignments on Jupiter and

607
00:29:20,470 --> 00:29:17,960
its moons orbits it was inspiring to see

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a young whippersnapper of about 17 years

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00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:23,120
of age so passionate about astronomy and

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science

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Dylan O'Donnell was next up the event

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organizer who has the honor of having

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Australia's most easterly Observatory in

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his backyard in Byron Bay you may recall

615
00:29:41,110 --> 00:29:38,090
my interview with Dylan a few weeks back

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on the sceptic zone Dylan has an

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impressive collection of

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astrophotography at geography calm like

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geography but with a deep he has a

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particular image that also went viral of

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the International Space Station against

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the moon even better these

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high-resolution images are available for

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free on his web site and in fact I'm in

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the process of getting one of his images

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printed and framed for my land room mark

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G then spoke to us again but this time

628
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took us through how he takes widefield

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astrophotography images

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his camera settings and techniques and

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showed us how he gets the best out of

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his images with the software he uses and

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a process called stacking lunchtime on

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Sunday was upon us and afterward we

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kicked off again with dr. Alan Duffy

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with life the universe and everything we

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can't

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00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:40,500
see are we alone where did we come from

639
00:30:47,090 --> 00:30:44,210
and as Einstein always have to be right

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00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:47,100
dr. Alan Duffy is also going to be one

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00:30:51,020 --> 00:30:48,570
of the speakers at this year's

642
00:30:54,620 --> 00:30:51,030
Australian national skeptics convention

643
00:30:57,250 --> 00:30:54,630
in Sydney a Q&A followed with the always

644
00:31:00,470 --> 00:30:57,260
charming and entertaining dr. Karl

645
00:31:02,870 --> 00:31:00,480
followed by Jamie Anderson from Gilmour

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00:31:05,660 --> 00:31:02,880
space technologies talking about the

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challenge of building rockets using

648
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:08,160
breakthroughs in safe propulsion and 3d

649
00:31:15,020 --> 00:31:11,250
printing and providing truly low-cost

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00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:15,030
access to space the last talk of sunday

651
00:31:20,870 --> 00:31:18,330
was Mikaela Jeffrey with an overview of

652
00:31:26,030 --> 00:31:20,880
the European Space Agency's operations

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00:31:28,700 --> 00:31:26,040
in Australia the starstuff event the

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00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:28,710
first of its kind in byron bay was sold

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00:31:34,610 --> 00:31:31,410
out which was fantastic for the

656
00:31:36,740 --> 00:31:34,620
organizer Dylan I'm going to hold Dylan

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00:31:38,990 --> 00:31:36,750
Dee's comment that he may well put on

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another astronomy event next year in

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00:31:46,250 --> 00:31:43,470
Byron Bay the 30th of June 2018 I think

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00:31:48,230 --> 00:31:46,260
he mentioned so keep that date free in

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00:31:51,620 --> 00:31:48,240
your calendar and come on down to byron

662
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:51,630
bay it was truly a treat to have this

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00:31:57,650 --> 00:31:54,770
fabulous science heavy event with such

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inspirational speakers leaders in their

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00:32:02,090 --> 00:32:00,240
respective fields right in the middle of

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a region renowned for its usual

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00:32:09,260 --> 00:32:05,640
prevalence of whoo it warms the heart

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00:32:12,410 --> 00:32:09,270
that we do in fact have a population of

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science enthusiasts here and served as a

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reminder that sensible curious critical

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00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:19,320
thinkers are walking among us even when

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00:32:23,870 --> 00:32:21,090
it seems like the world has succumbed to

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a post truth era of pseudoscience and

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fake news

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that's all from me for now thank you for

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00:32:33,350 --> 00:32:31,110
listening and until next time this has

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been hi dear Overton of the Northern

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Rivers vaccination supporters signing

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now on Belfast fm we turn to the

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personal ads easygoing and confident

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skeptic seeks other critical thinkers

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for fun laughter and good times must be

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willing to apply logic liberally and a

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good listener expect something new and

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interesting every month come and meet me

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in Belfast in Northern Ireland if this

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sounds like you check out my profile on

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Belfast sceptics calm music now we bring

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you part 1 of a series of interviews

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with an read the executive director of

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the National Center for Science

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education for 15 years she worked as a

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research biologist at the Armed Forces

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Institute of Pathology where she was

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responsible for sequencing the 1918 flu

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00:33:50,090 --> 00:33:46,470
virus she served as a senior program

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officer at the NRC's Board of Life

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Sciences for five years and most

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recently as a director of the American

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00:34:00,440 --> 00:33:58,260
Academy of microbiology I caught up with

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Anne Reed at the National Center for

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Science education in Oakland California

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00:34:13,510 --> 00:34:11,470
well folks once again I find myself in

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beautiful downtown Oakland at the

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offices of the National Center of

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Science education

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00:34:20,470 --> 00:34:18,050
I'm with Anne Reed hello Anne hello it's

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really nice to be here in your well I

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say new office

711
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:24,340
not exactly do you telling me you moved

712
00:34:29,770 --> 00:34:27,410
a year-plus ago yeah almost a year and a

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00:34:32,410 --> 00:34:29,780
half and what was the reason for that

714
00:34:34,780 --> 00:34:32,420
just a financial just convenience we

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00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:34,790
wanted to be in offices that had more

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private space our old offices were very

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open and all of us spend a great deal of

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time writing and a great deal of time on

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the phone and so overhearing everyone

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00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:48,260
all the time was not optimal for

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00:34:52,180 --> 00:34:50,810
productivity right right so but you're

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00:34:53,950 --> 00:34:52,190
not a million miles away you just did

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00:34:58,780 --> 00:34:53,960
another part of Oakland where one BART

724
00:35:02,230 --> 00:34:58,790
station yes offices now I've been I've

725
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:02,240
so enjoyed visiting the National Center

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00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:03,770
for Science education of the many years

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00:35:09,580 --> 00:35:07,010
and chatting to the director Hoover that

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00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:09,590
might be usually GB Scott of course many

729
00:35:14,590 --> 00:35:11,930
years and you've been in the role now

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for two years and I guess a three and a

731
00:35:22,300 --> 00:35:19,460
half I know it happens doesn't it yeah

732
00:35:24,100 --> 00:35:22,310
time flies as they say and well how's it

733
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:24,110
going in the last three and a half years

734
00:35:29,070 --> 00:35:26,090
are you enjoying it it's going very well

735
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:29,080
it's very interesting a very

736
00:35:35,860 --> 00:35:32,410
multi-faceted problem to try to to solve

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00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:35,870
it's a big challenge and and in a way

738
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:40,130
that problem has broadened out in since

739
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:42,770
I've been here one of the things that I

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00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:46,490
was asked to do by the board and and the

741
00:35:50,980 --> 00:35:48,170
rest of the staff talked about it too

742
00:35:56,590 --> 00:35:50,990
was that NCSE was always on the

743
00:35:58,680 --> 00:35:56,600
defensive yes we were reacting to bad

744
00:36:01,030 --> 00:35:58,690
stuff that happens whether it be a

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00:36:04,450 --> 00:36:01,040
legislature that's trying to pass a bill

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that would allow teachers to teach non

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science in the science classroom or a

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00:36:11,140 --> 00:36:08,780
school board in the case of kids biller

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versus dover trying to introduce a

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textbook that was non-scientific and

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00:36:17,290 --> 00:36:14,810
require their teachers to teach from it

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00:36:19,630 --> 00:36:17,300
all the way down to lots and lots of

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little individual what we call flare-ups

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where someone would call and say my

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00:36:24,950 --> 00:36:22,350
child just came

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00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:24,960
with an assignment that asks them to say

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that the earth is ten thousand years old

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or parent coming in and saying I want my

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child to opt out of the evolution part

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of the biology class we and we still

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handle those although many fewer than we

762
00:36:45,620 --> 00:36:42,600
used to that's good yeah well well I

763
00:36:48,140 --> 00:36:45,630
think it's a mixed message yeah you know

764
00:36:50,660 --> 00:36:48,150
after after Kitzmiller the trial that

765
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found that intelligent design was also

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religious in nature and couldn't be

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00:36:58,600 --> 00:36:54,060
taught in a science class in a public

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00:37:00,980 --> 00:36:58,610
school we feel that the problem of

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00:37:05,240 --> 00:37:00,990
creationism teaching creationism has

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00:37:09,740 --> 00:37:05,250
really gone underground people know that

771
00:37:12,650 --> 00:37:09,750
it's not allowed yeah and so it's but

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it's not like they stopped teaching it

773
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in places where the majority of the

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00:37:19,310 --> 00:37:17,160
community accepts it there just isn't

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00:37:20,900 --> 00:37:19,320
anybody to blow the whistle in those

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00:37:24,250 --> 00:37:20,910
communities I can't help thinking of

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00:37:26,720 --> 00:37:24,260
prohibition and the speakeasy right

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00:37:29,180 --> 00:37:26,730
education is completely decentralized in

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the United States all the way down to

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the level of almost individual schools

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and there are school districts somewhere

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between twelve and fifteen thousand of

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00:37:38,450 --> 00:37:36,660
them depending on how you count and each

784
00:37:41,180 --> 00:37:38,460
of those school districts makes its own

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decisions about curriculum and textbooks

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00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:44,760
and the sequence of courses in high

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00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:47,610
school there's guidance from States some

788
00:37:50,300 --> 00:37:49,890
states are more interventionist than

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00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:50,310
others

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but but the point is that if a teacher

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wants to teach creationism or wants to

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teach that climate change isn't

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happening or wants to skip teaching

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evolution we don't find out about it

795
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unless someone tells us hmm

796
00:38:16,610 --> 00:38:12,030
so survey work suggests that in the case

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of evolution about 13% of teachers these

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are public high school biology teachers

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are teaching creationism as a valid

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scientific alternative to evolution

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around 13 yeah so that's what one and

802
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eight that's gee I don't know whether to

803
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be surprised or not because you know

804
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it's it's the ongoing problem of course

805
00:38:35,470 --> 00:38:34,740
it would but when I really think about

806
00:38:37,849 --> 00:38:35,480
that number

807
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yeah that's quite that's quite a

808
00:38:43,510 --> 00:38:39,750
percentage isn't it yeah it's very high

809
00:38:48,170 --> 00:38:43,520
but here's the number that I find more

810
00:38:49,609 --> 00:38:48,180
shocking and what I mean when I say that

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we're broadening out what we're trying

812
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to do 60% of the US public high school

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00:38:59,539 --> 00:38:56,039
biology teachers report that when they

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teach evolution they hedge or equivocate

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on way or another all the way from they

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00:39:08,809 --> 00:39:06,809
just say they don't teach it yeah - they

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teach it as a debate and give the

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students the opportunity to make up

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their own minds they may say I have to

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teach this because it's in the standards

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but I don't believe it right there's a

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lot of different strategies in that 60%

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but 60% it's a really really large

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number of huge and so what we've been

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trying to do in the last three and a

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half years is figure out and I'll get to

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climate change in a moment because it's

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similar yes how do we help those

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teachers gain the confidence and the

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expertise that they need to go ahead and

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teach these topics I mean I shouldn't

832
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before I shouldn't be surprised but yeah

833
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every time I hear these stories it

834
00:39:54,829 --> 00:39:53,220
reminds me that you know we'd like to

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00:39:56,809 --> 00:39:54,839
pat ourselves on the back every now and

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00:39:58,730 --> 00:39:56,819
then but the job's far from Darkness

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00:40:02,599 --> 00:39:58,740
it's far from done and it's a bigger

838
00:40:05,990 --> 00:40:02,609
problem in a way than we might have

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00:40:10,069 --> 00:40:06,000
thought because that doubt that was

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created that framing of the issue as a

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debate between two sides means that even

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in places where the vast majority of

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people accept evolution and accept

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climate change the teachers are still

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00:40:28,910 --> 00:40:26,970
nervous such a seductive thing isn't it

846
00:40:30,710 --> 00:40:28,920
let's be democratic about it there are

847
00:40:32,750 --> 00:40:30,720
two sides of the c-track let's let's not

848
00:40:35,210 --> 00:40:32,760
hide one of the sides let's bring it all

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00:40:37,339 --> 00:40:35,220
out and talk about it and it's it's an

850
00:40:39,740 --> 00:40:37,349
old tactic we've seen before many times

851
00:40:44,109 --> 00:40:39,750
yeah and and there's a lot of evidence

852
00:40:46,700 --> 00:40:44,119
that done correctly acknowledging that

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00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:46,710
some people are really uncomfortable

854
00:40:54,260 --> 00:40:49,290
with evolution acknowledging that

855
00:40:55,730 --> 00:40:54,270
students allowing them to hear that you

856
00:40:59,210 --> 00:40:55,740
know you may have a problem with this

857
00:41:01,310 --> 00:40:59,220
area and let's talk about it it can be

858
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:01,320
really effective pretending there's no

859
00:41:05,900 --> 00:41:02,970
problem in just teaching evolution like

860
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:05,910
there's no issue here can often lead to

861
00:41:11,150 --> 00:41:08,850
students just tuning it out and again

862
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:11,160
survey work shows that if you ask

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00:41:16,070 --> 00:41:13,290
evangelicals if they were taught

864
00:41:18,050 --> 00:41:16,080
evolution in school some number of them

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00:41:22,100 --> 00:41:18,060
say yes and if you ask them if it

866
00:41:26,810 --> 00:41:22,110
changed their mind 85% of them say no so

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00:41:29,720 --> 00:41:26,820
if it's not taught well and by well I

868
00:41:31,550 --> 00:41:29,730
mean well with respect to how do you

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00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:31,560
teach it to people who come in with a

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00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:33,090
lot of misconceptions about it

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00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:34,890
you're not going to have any impact yeah

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so if ultimately our goal and this is

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sort of where our strategies are coming

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in if ultimately our goal is to have as

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many students as possible be taught

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evolution and climate change in a way

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that they understand the evidence they

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understand why the scientific

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communities have reached the conclusions

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00:41:56,180 --> 00:41:54,630
that they've reached then we really have

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00:41:58,940 --> 00:41:56,190
to deal with that a huge number of

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teachers who are I call it self

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00:42:05,540 --> 00:42:02,790
censoring or or managing potential

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00:42:07,460 --> 00:42:05,550
conflict so that they don't feel that

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00:42:09,470 --> 00:42:07,470
they have to do that yeah that would be

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00:42:11,420 --> 00:42:09,480
nice because I can see why some would do

887
00:42:14,390 --> 00:42:11,430
it right they don't need that hassle

888
00:42:16,970 --> 00:42:14,400
they've got papers to mark and datings

889
00:42:18,410 --> 00:42:16,980
to go to and students do to control or

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00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:18,420
whatever and they've got a vast amount

891
00:42:21,860 --> 00:42:20,490
of material to cover you know so

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particularly in the case of climate

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00:42:26,630 --> 00:42:24,690
change when it's not even in the

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00:42:28,010 --> 00:42:26,640
standards yet I mean it's starting to be

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and then next generation science

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00:42:32,240 --> 00:42:29,900
standards cover climate change very well

897
00:42:34,910 --> 00:42:32,250
it's if it's not even in the standards

898
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:34,920
and its might get people riled up why

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00:42:38,270 --> 00:42:36,050
would you go there

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00:42:40,220 --> 00:42:38,280
well and it's so it's been so

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00:42:42,020 --> 00:42:40,230
fascinating I love coming back here I

902
00:42:43,850 --> 00:42:42,030
don't care where your office is it could

903
00:42:45,980 --> 00:42:43,860
be anywhere in the world it's it's a

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00:42:47,210 --> 00:42:45,990
wonderful thing to be in the office of

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00:42:49,670 --> 00:42:47,220
the National Center of Science education

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00:42:50,150 --> 00:42:49,680
how can people find out more where can

907
00:42:53,570 --> 00:42:50,160
they be

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00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:53,580
NCS EECOM on the web we have lots of

909
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:55,770
information there and of course if you

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00:42:59,540 --> 00:42:56,850
become a member

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00:43:01,610 --> 00:42:59,550
hmm you can get our newsletter every

912
00:43:02,660 --> 00:43:01,620
three months and the newsletter now

913
00:43:04,490 --> 00:43:02,670
really focuses on

914
00:43:06,650 --> 00:43:04,500
what are we doing for teachers what how

915
00:43:09,110 --> 00:43:06,660
are our booster clubs doing what kinds

916
00:43:11,050 --> 00:43:09,120
of flare-ups have we dealt with and and

917
00:43:13,550 --> 00:43:11,060
what's been the outcome of these

918
00:43:15,830 --> 00:43:13,560
legislation and across the United States

919
00:43:20,300 --> 00:43:15,840
and sometimes around the world so it the

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00:43:22,300 --> 00:43:20,310
the newsletter is is a great way to keep

921
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:22,310
up to date with what we're doing and

922
00:43:27,650 --> 00:43:25,050
then of course the website is very rich

923
00:43:29,180 --> 00:43:27,660
yeah well I think it's applicable for

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science teachers no matter where you are

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00:43:33,770 --> 00:43:31,200
from Australia to the United States to

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00:43:35,270 --> 00:43:33,780
to everywhere mm-hmm I think any science

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00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:35,280
teacher would do well to visit your site

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once again and pleasure to be here thank

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00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:45,270
you it's great to see you again next

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00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:46,890
week we bring you part two of our

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00:43:52,310 --> 00:43:49,170
conversation with Anne Reed where she

932
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:52,320
discusses some of the challenges when it

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00:43:56,510 --> 00:43:55,530
comes to educating the public on climate

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change

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so yes idiot hey Sal you guys guys I

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just had the most amazing experience

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what experience undress under have you

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been to the pub I told you not to hang

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out with mash you know he was blessed by

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peter Popoff no yelling I'm not talking

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about psychics it was a really SP

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experience now you have been to the pub

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either that or you've been smoking

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something

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no punters the ESB is the European

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skeptics podcast it's the most amazing

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thing you get to know so much about

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you know offends hot topics and

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interviews with lots of interesting

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fallacy I guess that means I'm really

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wrong yep and you can even learn about

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those fallacies in the show and hear

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about people spreading silly ideas you

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should really check it out it's the ESP

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every week all right so where can I get

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this is the experience it sounds good

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you can go online at the ESP da to you

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follow it on twitter at es podcast

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subscribe do a quick search for the

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iTunes or stitcher I don't know why you

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[Music]

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00:46:01,260 --> 00:45:58,540
as mentioned at the top of the show I

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00:46:03,720 --> 00:46:01,270
have been enjoying nibbling on

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Einstein's brain the good the bad the

975
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:14,520
awakened a press calm or where I tend to

976
00:46:18,900 --> 00:46:16,570
buy these things I got this copy I'm

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00:46:21,470 --> 00:46:18,910
holding here from the Book Depository

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but I'll put a link in the show notes as

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00:46:26,010 --> 00:46:23,350
written on the back of the book

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00:46:28,290 --> 00:46:26,020
do you know faulty or phony science can

981
00:46:30,630 --> 00:46:28,300
creep into your life in a lot of

982
00:46:33,030 --> 00:46:30,640
different ways nibbling on einstein's

983
00:46:35,340 --> 00:46:33,040
brain will help you become a science

984
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:35,350
watchdog by suggesting winning

985
00:46:39,930 --> 00:46:38,290
strategies and fun ways to sort the good

986
00:46:43,620 --> 00:46:39,940
from the bad

987
00:46:45,090 --> 00:46:43,630
and among other recommendations written

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on the back of the book we have one from

989
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Ben Radford from skeptical inquiry and

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the podcast you hear promoted on the

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skeptic CERN squaring the strange and

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00:47:00,510 --> 00:46:58,060
Ben says the bar for children's and

993
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young adult books dealing with critical

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00:47:05,430 --> 00:47:02,520
thinking has been dramatically raised

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00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:05,440
achieves a rare feat for science books

996
00:47:10,260 --> 00:47:07,690
and you know what Ben and everybody I

997
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:10,270
think I have to agree I have been really

998
00:47:15,990 --> 00:47:12,490
enjoying nibbling on iron Stein's brain

999
00:47:18,870 --> 00:47:16,000
it covers in a in a very matter-of-fact

1000
00:47:21,510 --> 00:47:18,880
but very easy to digest way basic

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00:47:25,070 --> 00:47:21,520
methods of science including testing the

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00:47:27,780 --> 00:47:25,080
theory that science is revised these

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replication you need to challenge it to

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00:47:32,190 --> 00:47:30,220
question the assumptions it talks about

1005
00:47:34,730 --> 00:47:32,200
good science bad science it gives you a

1006
00:47:38,250 --> 00:47:34,740
checklist to look out for good science

1007
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:38,260
lots of examples from history of the the

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00:47:40,260 --> 00:47:39,850
method of science and how it's being

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00:47:42,330 --> 00:47:40,270
used

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00:47:45,690 --> 00:47:42,340
gives links and references to things

1011
00:47:49,580 --> 00:47:45,700
like quack watch when discussing medical

1012
00:47:54,240 --> 00:47:49,590
science and indeed reading from page 28

1013
00:47:57,900 --> 00:47:54,250
mind the medical mouse sick worried

1014
00:47:58,540 --> 00:47:57,910
looking for a cure a few clicks of a

1015
00:48:01,480 --> 00:47:58,550
mouse

1016
00:48:04,540 --> 00:48:01,490
send you're bound to find an answer well

1017
00:48:06,850 --> 00:48:04,550
you're sure to find advice at any rate

1018
00:48:09,220 --> 00:48:06,860
what it's worth there's another matter

1019
00:48:12,010 --> 00:48:09,230
hundreds of thousands of medical

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00:48:14,260 --> 00:48:12,020
internet sites offer a huge range of

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information on illnesses therapies

1022
00:48:21,250 --> 00:48:17,810
medicines and more but many sites are

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00:48:23,380 --> 00:48:21,260
misleading or plain dishonest anybody

1024
00:48:26,530 --> 00:48:23,390
can post information on the Internet and

1025
00:48:29,500 --> 00:48:26,540
claim it's just about anything there are

1026
00:48:32,230 --> 00:48:29,510
a few checks sites that are full of

1027
00:48:36,070 --> 00:48:32,240
dubious information can look and sound

1028
00:48:39,310 --> 00:48:36,080
highly scientific so it can be tricky to

1029
00:48:42,130 --> 00:48:39,320
tell the good ones from the bad at the

1030
00:48:45,100 --> 00:48:42,140
very least see if a site offers

1031
00:48:48,220 --> 00:48:45,110
up-to-date support by scientific

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00:48:50,250 --> 00:48:48,230
research find out who set up the site

1033
00:48:52,690 --> 00:48:50,260
and who is providing the information

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00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:52,700
check its reputation with health

1035
00:48:59,380 --> 00:48:57,050
watchdogs sites such as quack watch the

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book also has little segments called now

1037
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:01,460
it's your turn where it challenges you

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00:49:06,220 --> 00:49:04,130
to look up things or do things or think

1039
00:49:08,890 --> 00:49:06,230
about things what's this a baloney

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00:49:10,990 --> 00:49:08,900
Buster checklist as part of the book

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00:49:13,090 --> 00:49:11,000
it's complete with a really fun

1042
00:49:14,820 --> 00:49:13,100
illustrations that would appeal to kids

1043
00:49:17,110 --> 00:49:14,830
of course there's a bit here about

1044
00:49:22,500 --> 00:49:17,120
horoscopes which is quite interesting

1045
00:49:25,140 --> 00:49:22,510
winning strategies for science so

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00:49:27,910 --> 00:49:25,150
nibbling on Einstein's brain I've been

1047
00:49:29,710 --> 00:49:27,920
really enjoying reading it on the train

1048
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:29,720
actually it's it's been a fabulous book

1049
00:49:35,410 --> 00:49:33,770
I can sincerely recommend it links in

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00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:35,420
this week's show notes if you've got

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00:49:40,300 --> 00:49:38,450
younger kids at home maybe a elementary

1052
00:49:42,340 --> 00:49:40,310
primary school age and up right through

1053
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:42,350
high school I would suggest right

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00:49:48,220 --> 00:49:44,930
through high school and even beyond it's

1055
00:49:49,930 --> 00:49:48,230
an excellent refresher on the method of

1056
00:49:53,050 --> 00:49:49,940
science for those who already familiar

1057
00:49:54,730 --> 00:49:53,060
with it but for those younger people out

1058
00:49:56,950 --> 00:49:54,740
there who are not particularly familiar

1059
00:49:59,080 --> 00:49:56,960
with the method of science how it works

1060
00:50:01,360 --> 00:49:59,090
why it works why are things are done in

1061
00:50:04,030 --> 00:50:01,370
a certain way then I think it's a

1062
00:50:06,770 --> 00:50:04,040
wonderful book nibbling on iron Stein's

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brain link in the show notes

1064
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the skeptic magazine the journal from

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Australian skeptics subscribe online to

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the world's second oldest skeptical

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magazine visit WWF X comma u and click

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the publication's link you can also find

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there over 30 years of back issues free

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to download the skeptic magazine from

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[Music]

1072
00:51:08,300 --> 00:51:06,810
thank you for listening to the skeptic

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00:51:11,610 --> 00:51:08,310
zone now I'm a little bit disappointed

1074
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:11,620
because I was to bring you a live report

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00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:15,970
from the very recent stranger things

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00:51:21,330 --> 00:51:19,330
down under group on Facebook trip to ruk

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wood cemetery the largest cemetery here

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in Sydney and nighttime tour and

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unfortunately on the day on the very day

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I was supposed to go some late work came

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my way which I couldn't refuse and that

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late work went went overtime but that's

1083
00:51:41,730 --> 00:51:40,060
okay these things happen but I missed

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out on the tour so stranger things done

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under group I'm very sorry and I'm very

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sorry I couldn't bring the skeptic zone

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audience a live report from a spooky

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walk around the Rookwood cemetery but I

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look forward to the next stranger things

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down under event whatever that may be

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thank you to highly Robertson for that

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wonderful on the scene report from the

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the star stuff wow I wish I could have

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been there let's sound like a really

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fabulous couple of days and I hope

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Heidi's right I hope that there's

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another one of those scheduled for the

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not-too-distant future thank you for

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you very much and thank you to those

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people who also support Maynard our

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wonderful zany crazy

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bunga bunga over at Maynard com not a

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you with Tim Ferguson from the Doug

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Anthony also is making wonderful fresh

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Australian comedy award-winning of

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course

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bunga bunga is an award-winning comedy

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podcast and I know Maynard works very

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hard doing all those edits he does so

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many edits and cuts and musical stings

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and grabs and bits and pieces to make

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bunga bunga so funny bunga bunga it's at

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Maynard calm not a you if you're like

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fresh Australian comedy that's where he

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should head now I don't know if

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listeners have heard a difference but

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this week the voiceovers them when

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you're hearing now

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are done if I are in or through or with

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my new little skeptic zone recording

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booth I knocked up myself

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from materials a cheap box from Ikea

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sort of a collapsible box it's about 30

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40 centimeters by 50 centimeters or so

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something like that and some audio

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acoustic foam you can hear there with a

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microphone placed inside I was inspired

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by various huge shoe clips of people

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using homemade little recording booths I

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hope it makes a difference

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coming up on next week's show amongst

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other things an interview with Bob

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novella from the skeptics guide to the

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universe but for this week from what

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time is it now something like almost

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three o'clock in the morning this is

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Richard Saunders signing off from Sydney

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